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Stunning at slaughter

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I’m going to get straight to the point: this is not a religious post. It’s not a post about politics, or freedom of expression, either. It is a post about animal welfare.

Cows
“A duty of care applies throughout their life, and it still applies at their death,” says Nick.

I prelude with this simple statement because there is a dark tide of intolerance spreading across the world, and I have no desire to add to it. Consequently, I’ll try to cut the funnies out of this one, and be as clear as I can.

Respect

Here’s what I believe – if we are going to raise certain animals for the sole purpose of eating them, we must treat them with respect while we do so. We have a duty of care to them, to ensure they do not suffer as a consequence of our appetites.

This duty of care applies throughout their life, and it still applies at their death. In fact, it applies whatever your own personal social, political or religious beliefs, because it is not you that is suffering – it’s them.

Currently, in this country, some animals are conscious at the time they are slaughtered for meat, which is about as egregious abuse of welfare as I can imagine – if, as a companion animal vet, I treated a pet in the same way, I would probably be struck off the register for malpractice, and, potentially, prosecuted – therefore, I don’t think it’s acceptable for animals reared for us to eat, either.

Importance

The reason why this occurs is because – as I have been informed whenever I have written to my MP on this issue – although animal welfare is of prime importance to the Government, religious freedom is also up there. Both of those things are important to me too, but here’s where I differ: I don’t think “religious freedom” should be treated like diplomatic immunity – I don’t believe it should allow for behaviour which, if it was practised by someone who is not a member of that religion, would lead to prosecution and, possibly, a prison sentence.

This isn’t, as I mentioned, a post about religion. It’s not entirely, or even mostly, about Halal slaughter – you may be surprised to hear about 80% of Halal meat is stunned prior to slaughter, unlike Kosher meat, the ritual for which does not allow for stunning under any circumstances; the reason for the wiggle room in Halal meat is differing interpretations of the word “carrion” – a purely semantic argument that unfortunately translates into real animal suffering.

Alternative solution

Packaged meat
Nick says labelling meat as to its stun status is a much-needed alternative if non-stun slaughter is not to be banned. IMAGE: Fotolia/BillionPhotos.com

Here are my simple, clear thoughts on the matter: I don’t believe any creature should be conscious at the time it has its throat slit, particularly not cows and goats who, thanks to their vertebral blood supply, remain conscious for many minutes afterwards.

If, as the current Government has repeatedly stated, banning this practice is out of the question (and, if you agree with the sentiments in this post, I still think it is worth attempting to get it banned – there’s a petition here [https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/170207]) or write to your MP!), here’s an alternative solution: labelling.

I think people should have a choice as to whether their meat was awake at the moment it was killed or not. To avoid any possibility of religious discrimination, labels can simply read “stunned at slaughter” or “not stunned at slaughter”, and people can make their own minds up.

Help

This is an issue I have cared about for a long time, and sometimes, late at night, I think about all the creatures that have died in pain and fear since I first heard about it. I don’t want to tell you how to think, or how to act. I am aware there are a lot of terrible things happening in the world. Many of them are things we can’t change, but here’s one we can.

If you agree, please help.


Comments

70 responses to “Stunning at slaughter”

  1. Elwirka Avatar
    Elwirka

    A lot of people don’t know what stunning before slaughter means. I bet if a animal welfare organisation will make a TV spot,advert about it a lot of people will open eyes and understand a lot.

  2. M McBride Avatar
    M McBride

    I definately agree that this should be stopped , no animal should suffer this brutality for the sake of religion ???????

  3. Hi,

    I have so much to say on the subject of your article. My parents are both vets and this topic Firstly if animal welfare is your primary concern then I would expand that to considering all of the misery and traumatic moments experienced by a majority of these animals since birth, and leading up to their deaths.

    As if not being stunned at the end of your sorry excuse for an existence might mitigate possibly being raised in squalid, cramped conditions, being pumped full of antibiotics, fed on a diet that lacks nutritional value, not having the life experiences or the relationship with nature that might have been achieved were it not for human intervention…. I digress.

    What baffles me is that we continue to demand it at the scale we do. The negative costs have been externalised but they must be paid by someone at some point.. some future generation. Lets sweep it back under the rug for now.

    Until people are prepared to evaluate the environmental/health/other risks associated with an ever increasing demand for cheap meat, and learn to moderate their consumption: you can rest assured that lots and lots of animals will experience pain and suffering over the course of their lifetimes, meanwhile supermarket cartels will [exploit] the few remaining independent farmers and big agribusinesses will continue to operate concentration camps for livestock.

    Why can’t we all just take some personal responsibility for consuming a bit less and being a bit more considerate about our choices? Better still, we could do it without condemning the choices of others. Forgive them, they know not what they do.

    1. Charlotte – I support your views. However the point here surely is to tackle the issues raised one at a time. If we try to boil the ocean and trying to widen the debate will do exactly that, nothing will get changed.

  4. I agree. Such methods should be banned immediately. So brutal. Petition signed.

  5. Melanie Avatar
    Melanie

    I feel your point is valid and would be a great first step! I currently work at a red meat abattoir as a veterinarian and my biggest issue above all else is humane slaughter. Stunning is a prerequisite and that is how it should be for all.

    1. How do you bring yourself to do that job as a vegetarian?

      1. Who said she was a vegetarian? ;-S. She’s a veterinarian – a vet!!!! Doh.

    2. Hi Melanie. Do all abattoirs have vets at them? Do they make sure all animals are killed humanly? Can we find a list of abattoirs that kill humanly? So we can purchase meat that comes from them? Sorry for so many questions but this is an issue I care about deeply. Thanks

      1. Denise, the Food Standards Agency web site can supply the information you require: https://www.food.gov.uk/enforcement/sectorrules/meatplantsprems/meatpremlicence

      2. Riverford.co.uk or Fieldandflower.co.uk meat is not halal! You can order from them and they deliver. Both have excellent meat.

      3. I totally agree with you. It is impossible to get such a list even whilst invoking the Freedom of Information act. Even finding an ethical butcher is difficult, although now l think I’ve may have found 2 in my area which are not too far away

  6. Anne Wright Avatar
    Anne Wright

    Thank you for the info, I totally agree although I would like to be sure that stunning anesthetises them and not just paralyses them, do you know the answer please?

    1. Helen Fielding Avatar
      Helen Fielding

      Effective captive bolt stunning renders the animal unconscious and therefore unaware of their environment, they are not paralysed. As with any form of slaughter there are occasions when animals are mis-stunned and still conscious but typically this is swiftly rectified with another stun. Bulls have thicker skulls so the mis-stun rate is higher but in general this results in a quick painless death of the animal.
      The majority of animals slaughtered without stunning become unconscious within the first ten seconds (count it out loud to consider how long that actually is) but a small percentage may be left for minutes – up to four in our study. Perhaps a recommendation for post-cut stunning for this subset of animals is warranted? Unfortunately though this may mean the animal is not suitable for kosher requirements, though as far as I am aware it may be acceptable practice for halal meat. Such a complicated issue, minimising the number of animals subjected to slaughter without stunning should be a priority. Banning the practice may lead to imports from countries with lower welfare standards than the U.K.

      1. Peter Harper Avatar
        Peter Harper

        Importing of animals that have not been reared and slaughtered in a way that meets what SHOULD be our higher standards should be made illegal. Simple.

      2. If done properly, the bolt gun takes out the brain in a second, so bang, gone in a second.

  7. Agree 100%
    It’s bad enough that we mass produce these animals for our own needs, there is no excuse for not treating them with respect during their life and their death.

  8. this is very well written and close to many peoples hearts the words its about the animals not the religion than is so important and so very very the point

  9. If people REALLY can’t stop eating dead animals, then we must enforce that that animal dies in the least painful way possible. This government needs to realise that this is MORE important to the vast marjority of people than medieval practices. I DO object to these religious issues because it is MY right to do so!!!

  10. Dear Nick, I think you are spot on, both in terms of respect for other cultures and religious beliefs and your commitment to animal protection. Great stuff – well said. I think the law needs amending so that all religious slaughter which involves an animal suffering at death is banned as soon as practically possible. It’s not compulsory for everyone in Britain to eat meat – it’s a choice. Every Christian, Jew or Muslim has the choice as to whether they wish to partake in the suffering of animals used for food, or not. The choice not to eat meat is one which an increasing number of us are making all over the world, and I woulnd’t advise investing in industrialized meat production anywhere in the world right now, as it’s simply falling, toxic, off people’s shopping lists, and IMHO rightly so. I also agree Nick, that labelling is a great start. Best, Dr Iain McGill, MRCVS, Director Prion Interest Group

  11. Wendy Wilson Avatar
    Wendy Wilson

    Horrendous, we wouldn’t do it to a human so why should it be ok for animals who feel pain just as we do!

    1. Unfortunately I know there is plenty of abuse to humans especially the elderly. I fully support stunning.

  12. Moira Grainger Avatar
    Moira Grainger

    This is so cruel..I have seen a video concerning this method of no stunning.. It broke my heart and I still have the faces of those poor innocent animals in my head.. Could not bear to watch it again.. Terrible for any animal to die and suffer like that

    1. I watched a video of Animals Australia who went to Indonesia e.g. followed Australian cattle, to see halal slaughter. The abject cruelty before the cut was bad, but the cutting with a blunt knife, was awful. A cow with a half-severed neck got up and tried to make a run for it. One cow fell and broke its leg on the blood soaked concrete and could not get up. It was hit, kicked, hit with an electric cattle prodder, water jets up orifices and then culminating with the man putting out the cow’s eyes with is fingers and dragging it by it’s eye sockets. You saw the camera fall and then the women filming being sick, along with the other women. They took five minutes or more to cut the throat, as the blade was serrated and not sharp, so were sawing at the poor animals neck, whilst it thrashed around in agony.

  13. Maria Lester Avatar
    Maria Lester

    Ive got a novel idea, howabout just not eating animals .

    1. How about, sod that. We should be able to eat meat, as we are meat eaters naturally. How about animals not being slaughtered this way???

  14. Anita Virginillo Avatar
    Anita Virginillo

    Our right to any type of freedom religious or otherwise ends where there is a victim. Anytime we kill an animal regardless of stunning or not there is a VICTIM. These animals have not given consent and therefore we have NO right to do with them how we wish. END OF CONVERSATION!

    1. Keith Kenward Avatar
      Keith Kenward

      I Agree Anita 100%,who gave us the Right to Inflict such brutal Cruelity on any of God’s Creature

  15. Karen Smith Avatar
    Karen Smith

    Slaughter is not humane. Full stop. Surely vets would know about how animals sense fear when they are being transported and enter the slaughter house. They can even smell blood. They are aware of death around them because they are intelligent creatures.

    1. If bolt gun stunning is done properly, it is humane.

  16. Kate sargent Avatar
    Kate sargent

    Or just dont eat meat at all…theres no such thing as “humane ” slaughter, killing a being that doesnt want to die is never humane, alot of animals are pregnant at the time of slaughter the foetuses are just cut out of them and thrown in the waste absolutely disgusting industry, and we dont need meat to survive so why are we doing this to them?

  17. Philippa Bailey Avatar
    Philippa Bailey

    I am in support of this 100%. I studied an HND in Animal Science & Welfare, and it’s fair to say that there is STILL far too much animal suffering happening. We can put a man on the moon, but still unable to prevent unnecessary hideous cruelty.
    This method of stunning before ” cutting their throats” should be automatic. Present from the word go!
    This is a subject very close to my heart, and have absolute zero tolerance for any type of animal abuse, of any kind.
    Where do I sign?

  18. Animals shouldn’t be killed for meat or any other purpose full stop. Slaughtering an animal that doesn’t want to die at a fraction of their natural life span can never be humane or ethical

  19. I’m a vegetarian anyway, but when I did eat any meat, it was kosher — but I even used to ‘make sure’ that it was truly the original applications and practices of kosher, which, incidentally, means ‘compassionate.’ Kosher practices were originally specifically designed precisely with the animal’s thoughts and feelings ‘in mind,’ and to eliminate ANY suffering. In fact, the Torah repeatedly even advises to try and avoid eating meat if possible, and only when eating an animal, do not inflict suffering. Fish with scales must be killed swiftly, immediately, and shellfish are prohibited because they must be cooked generally by placing them in boiling water which causes extreme torturous suffering, or eaten raw , which is also a horrible fate. As for meat, ONLY domesticated animals used for other purposes as WELL can be eaten , nothing raised solely for just meat; you cannot take ‘parts’ of an animal like many ancient non-Israelites did, such as, cut a leg off to eat one day, another leg another day, etc; NO hunting of any creature is allowed, nor the eating of any hunted/killed creature; and in the sometimes confusing rules of never mixing dairy products or utensils with meat products and utensils, that comes from the Leviticus prohibition of ‘you shall not cook or eat an offspring in its mother’s milk, because that is an abomination’ — an insult and a deep pain ’emotionally’ to any mammal, rooted totally in the sense of compassion and respect. Which is also why any animal to be killed for meat is to be prayed over and asked for forgiveness as well as thanked, AND no blood of the victim can be used and in fact must be BURIED, with respect, as again, respect for their ‘life force.’ Eating any blood of an animal is extremely prohibited in kashrut, which is even why if you bring home a frozen or fresh chicken, or piece of beef, with ANY bloody juice anywhere on it or in the packaging, you must use koshering salt , to rub away all of the blood under running water, with the salt scrub, so that you do not consume it, or let it stand anywhere, or remain on your hands. Even in using eggs, no fertile eggs may ever be used, so every egg must be cracked open in a bowl prior to use, and if even a tiny blood speck is detected, you must discard that egg. Long story short, traditional Judaism and koshering revolves totally around respect and a sense of inter relation and of course compassion for the animals whom G-d not only made FIRST for His enjoyment, but for our companions and siblings, whom we were commanded to CARE FOR We are even supposed to take better care of them than not, since it’s our ‘fault’ we screwed them as well as humans, out of the Garden of Eden paradise, and so they must suffer and die like humans because of stupid humans. Their souls are pure, however, unlike ours, which is theologically also why we are entrusted with their well being and protection while sharing the earth with us before they reach Paradise again. Especially if we have to eat them. So in killing them, the original practices was to so swiftly cut the carotid artery that no pain or suffering is felt, and the blood can be more easily collected and then buried. All this being said, though, these processes have indeed been corrupted by some sects, ignored by others, corners cut, and most offensive to many Jews, the ultra orthodoxy’s refusal to respect animals as equals and their infuriating attitudes of superiority and dominance over them Therefore, not all Jews feel the same way about animal rights hence ‘true’, or, ‘original intent’ koshering practices (and observing kosher is not even ‘required’ by Judaism, it is a choice, yet ironically the most rabid fundamentalist followers are the most perverting of the literal soul of the practice, true honor and compassion for our non human companions); but for those of us who do choose to observe kosher for its original intents, and who follow them precisely because of their beautiful and meaningful rituals that make us conscious, even in the cracking of a single egg, of our relationship to our spiritual sibling creatures here on earth, it is far more complicated than simply saying, ‘Jews don’t stun animals so koshering is awful.’ Thanks for letting me express this.

  20. LISA PITTS Avatar
    LISA PITTS

    I would love to sign but unable to as not a UK citizen.In Canada We do slaughter some animals in this fashion out of respect for the culture of a small population. All slaughter to ALL Animals is INHUMANE and out of respect for ALL Animals thus must stop.

  21. Tessa Spencer Avatar
    Tessa Spencer

    How do we help with the product labelling?

  22. Julie Page Avatar
    Julie Page

    Totally agree , have been in farming many many years our animals are our livelihoods the better we look after them the more money they are worth . Pain free and dignified death is the least they can be offered at the end.

  23. Melanie Siggs Avatar
    Melanie Siggs

    This is exactly what I have been saying for sometime. HMG will not ban it but people should have a choice and awareness. A simple logo to denote Stunned or Non-stunned. Will require an additional level of traceability. Let me know how and if I can help.
    I have also proposed that Red Tractor add a slaughterhouse standard – the only gap in their supply chain suite of standards. We could then debate what that looked like!

  24. Can it ever be morally right to kill a self-aware animal that doesn’t want to die?

  25. Lisa J Ryan Avatar
    Lisa J Ryan

    Many animals are still conscious at the time they are slaughtered for meat and it has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with the conveyor belt slaughter process where it can’t be stopped and won’t be stopped because they have quotas to meet and that means $$$. and 99% of workers in fear of their jobs will not speak out, like many vets on Live Export ships won’t speak out. There has been several recent exposes on Aussie slaughterhouses showing vile abuse of animals that the author of this article needs to watch. The article talks about ‘respect’. Where is the respect taking the life of an animals who will be fighting to stay alive ? What about the bulk of cheap meat being raised in factory farms – is that respect ? What about cutting of a baby pigs tail or cutting its teeth with no pain relief or anaesthetic as is legal and routine practice in all Australian intensive piggeries ? People should read Aussiefarms and the tab covering slaughterhouses. The ‘stunned at slaughter’ label will do nothing to alleviate what goes on in every slaughterhouse every day.

    1. I agree, the ‘stunning ‘is often not immediate or effective at all.As far as Kosher ,using a sharp blade to kill the animal across the carotid artery ,seemed kinder than some procedures I saw as a vet student.The kosher slaughters I saw , calves, became slowly and not obviously stressfully unconscious due to blood loss while held in a very kingpd manner by their slaughterer .I experienced this while on work experience in an abattoir as a vet student. It seemed a lot less traumatic in fact , the animals literally feinting , than an animal (pigs)being stunned badly , hung upside down still conscious on a conveyor belt and then killed , sometimes not effectively, and put through the heating machine that removes body hair.horrendous .Have never really recovered from that and seeing chickens in a similar sort of badly ‘disposed of ‘ position .The ‘job’ of killing the animals is so horrible and non-human that I think sometimes the people doing it become detached as their only way to cope with what they have to do every day,Not quite sure why they or anyone should want that job,….

  26. Pete Sudbury Avatar
    Pete Sudbury

    I’m actually in favour of intolerance when it comes to barbaric practices. If you think your religion says kill animals in a barbaric way, then go live in a barbaric country and eat meat, or stay in this one and don’t eat meat. No ifs or buts. Get over it.

  27. Gemma Hunt Avatar
    Gemma Hunt

    100% agree with what you said. I don’t eat meat and this is one of the reasons why. It must be determinedthat all animals are asleep, as throat slitting is such a gruesome and cruel end otherwise!

  28. As a vegan who is Jewish, I cringe when even progressive Jews simply refuse to see anything but the so-called religious freedom perspective and not the animal welfare one. To me, no meat is good meat; no slaughter is okay, and all this raising and killing of factory-farmed animals is completely different from what happened in ancient times. Human greed will be our undoing and sometimes I can’t wait. Thank you for caring enough to speak out.

    1. People are natural meat eaters, but can choose not to, as you have done. But all animals for food should be killed as humanely as is possible.

  29. Thomas Ainsworth Avatar
    Thomas Ainsworth

    Stunning isn’t effective either. There are too many instances when living, breathing Animals are being tortured, hung up and slaughtered. There is no moral argument for eating baby animals or any animal for that matter. Almost all the animals we eat are no more than children. Pigs are slaughtered at 3 to 6 months, chickens at 8 to 12 weeks (males get killed immediately after sexing), Cows reared for us to consume their flesh live to one year old because the flesh tastes best at that age apparently. Actually, the reason is that the animal is at optimal growth and continuing to feed them isn’t cost efficient. Dairy cows get to live a life of subjugation and abuse until they are between 4 to 6 years old before being killed for their services.They get to live less than a third of their natural lifespan. Their life ends when they are no longer producing enough milk, their female offspring forced to suffer the same fate……….and for what? We can’t ‘Humanely’ slaughter any animals, regardless of where our moral compass sits. The killing of animals for sustenance is unnecessary and unethical.

  30. Myra Bowman Avatar
    Myra Bowman

    If we really care about the way animals are treated in the food chain then we will become vegetarians or better still vegan. The less animals eaten by people, the less will be bred as the market for them will be less. Yes and continue working for better end of life conditions regardless. It is our duty as caring humans to do so. Petition signed by a vegan.

    1. Totally agree. I have been veggie/vegan for over thirty years now. My children have followed on ….now grown-up. Two of them have babies of their own almost entirely vegan babies by the way. This is all because of the unthinkable way animals are treated. We could never imagine eating an animal ….mammal, fish or bird . …..ever.

    2. I have no problem with vegetarianism, but vegan is a step too far, too restrictive.

  31. Native Americans respected the animals they slaughtered. It is only decent to do so. Respect means to avoid unnecessary suffering. To do otherwise is simply horribly cruel.

  32. I’ve been trying for years to find dog food that’s guaranteed to come from stunned animals. Anyone know of any? None of the major manufacturers are interested.

  33. Peter Harper Avatar
    Peter Harper

    Since electronic stunning was not an available option at the times that these religious texts were written, how could it possibly be true that those religions do not allow an animal to be stunned before its throat is slit?
    Do they contain stipulations that the animal must be killed in as barbaric and painful a way as possible? If not, then I would be very interested to know what phrasing exists in their texts that forbids an animal from being saved from the terror and pain they are caused by NOT being stunned before they are slaughtered.

    1. quran does not mandate an animal be slaughtered via halal method, nor does it stipulate being conscious whilst having the throat slit.

  34. David Williams Avatar
    David Williams

    Just give consumers the choice – seems only fair.

  35. Car Nightingale Avatar
    Car Nightingale

    I wrote to my MP. Got fobbed off and referred to min of Ag (or whatever its called now). I couldn’t even get out of him whether he would support an outright ban of non stunned slaughter.

  36. I’d like to weigh in here from personal experience. I’m a Veterinary surgeon, and as part of our training we spent time in abattoirs so I’ve seen both sides of the story and there are pros and cons to each argument that I won’t go into. If you think that the captive bolt method of stunning cattle (a retrievable bolt is shot into the skull at a very specific position on the head causing loss of consciousness) is humane, I can tell you that if it is done correctly 1st time, then yes it is. However I witnessed many missed 1st, 2nd and sometimes 3rd attempts where the wrong place of the skull was hit and due to the very thick skull at that point the animal had nothing but a very painful headache and hugely increased stress levels, with the operator frantically attempting to restun a very angry,injured animal at the correct position. So even this method is flawed and there is inevitable suffering in some cases. I think if one wants to petition etc, then slaughter methods are not the only place one should be focussing. Again from experience, farm practices that have been around for ages are in my mind far worse in terms of animal suffering than the momentary slaughter procedure. I’ve witnessed branding and castration for example- no anaesthesia is employed in these procedures- the animal is left to suffer pain for hours or days as a result, but it’s allowed to continue in the name of economics, as it’s not cost effective to anaesthetise the animal. Why not be vocal or sign petitions about things like the annual dog meat festival in China where dogs are literally skinned alive to cheering crowds in the name of enjoyment of their meat??

    1. I donate to animal charities like HSI who get these dog meat trades shut down, so many of us do sign petitions for this.

  37. Marian Nash Avatar
    Marian Nash

    I no longer eat either beef or lamb for this reason, people should boycott

  38. Mana-hen mladek Avatar
    Mana-hen mladek

    This is so true. And, it applies to all animals we raise either to eat or to eat what they produce. I run a hen rescue and I have been in some horrendous places that could not be consider satisfactory on the welfare scale. I’ve seen the disrespect that they receive when being “shovelled up” to go for slaughter. I’ve watched grown men slam hens in to our crates, 8 at a time, holding them by one leg. They do it out of bravado. It’s almost as if they are trying to insult me by doing this as they think trying to save them is ridiculous. I’ve got into near fights telling them what they are doing g us against the law. When I quote what the standards say about how they should be handled, they just laugh and tell me that no one sticks to those “ridiculous rules”

  39. This is music to my ears,someone who feels passionate about animal cruelty!!.
    I have cried over this and think it is barbaric. I agree entirely with everything that was said, more has to be done to stop it !!!!!.
    Why in 2017 are barbaric practices allowed to carry on ?.
    All farm animals are subjected to cruelty too it makes my blood boil.
    Thank you
    Sue x

  40. John Price Avatar
    John Price

    We should get a petition for Govt

  41. Jean Sayers Avatar
    Jean Sayers

    What are your views on the Pre-Stun rather than non recoverable Stun ie: its recoverable asnd if not done properly the animals could actually become conscious but unable to react? Government stats about Breaches were absolutely horrendous something like 4000 FSA recorded incident, How many actual animals have had a miserable cruel end.
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/aug/28/fsa-4000-breaches-animal-welfare-laws-uk-abattoirs-two-years

  42. Keith Kenward Avatar
    Keith Kenward

    I Agree,May I suggest that a Halal !And Kosha Slaughter be Aired onEtime Time TV,just watch how many ignorant People with their heads in the Sand,Contact the Broadcasters and Complain.Will never happen as the Broadcasters don’t care about animal welfare either?

  43. SUZANNE FORSYTH Avatar
    SUZANNE FORSYTH

    I’d rather you reopened the original petition.

  44. The problem with just settling for labelling is that the government will get round this by saying it has been stunned when it’s only been a reversible stun, which is as much use as a chocolate fireguard. It needs to be a full captive bolt.
    I don’t think anyone, regardless of whether it’s their religion, should ever be allowed to demand this atrocious treatment of animals.

  45. Please don’t think you are any better than halal. It is all totally unnecessary and using “animal welfare” in your campaign is frankly laughable. These animals are all babies when killed so what’s the best way to kill a baby in your opinion?

  46. Helen williams Avatar
    Helen williams

    Absolutely agree with you on clear labelling. Also it’s time for TV to educate us all in what actually happens in those moments when an animal becomes a product.
    We have happy hen, happy farm labels We light to know the animal in question has had a good life. ( that part is in the farmers best interest)It’s now time to take it it that final step and be assured that the meat we choose has had a good death

  47. I agree, however l’m not happy about the recoverable stun- this means the animal is fully aware to hear the ” blessing”. How wrong is that? Consequently l’m not happy with a label which says ‘stunned’ because obviously the majority of our animals are not unconscious at time of death. Thanks for all your hard work and please keep at it. I too am doing what l can

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